[VOXX]

I didn't take advantage of early fever because at first glance I didn't really like the early clear items... but that hair/eyes are going to haunt me for the rest of my life now! ._. So cute, as is the 150k carene dress... ughhh lol

[Jibrille]

I'm waiting for tonight carene bonus to go all out so expect a bunch of wines around that time D: (if my event bestie doesn't send me another 60 wines like yesterday, at least o_O I'm soooo behind in paying back) I've stocked up enough pies/apples/wines to get an early clear, with a bit of luck and that sweet x2.

[Arisa-chan]

that carene dress apparently 400 charm
but I don't know if I can get that much carenne by the end of event
just to get 50k is already too much for me and need so much pie/apples/wine to burn

[Vixey]

Wow from what I'm hearing on tumblr, this event is terrible. Not as in poorly translated or dumb. But as in...the MC being a terrible person. These aren't white lies. These are messed up lies. D:

Spoiler  Spoiler of the Lies:

http://otome-obsessed.tumblr.com/post/109998593657/breathe-in-spiration-replied-to-your-post-i-dont

I am really whoa about those last two

I am going to go for the avatars and then forget this whole thing ever happened... Good thing they're giving us wine, we'll need it.

[Arisa-chan]

So far, the worst lies she made is in Elio route

Luca, unexpectedly has cute lies...even the story is pretty sweet. Tho I should agree, she shouldn't made up that kind of lies. I just forgive her because of Luca's reaction only
Ferris route, rich end, rich in smuttiness 

[Jibrille]

Honestly had I  read elio story first instead than at the very last  (after everyone's pure/rich ending)  i would have probably dropped the event right there.  The MC had already made me facepalm so many times I lost count but she never irked me this much.  even luca's lie was more her being typically Japanese than anything else

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she doesn't lie to him on purpose,  she is just unable to tell him he misunderstood. 100% japan style

, but Elio's was just too much to handle. 

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A lie like that?  No,  that's just too much.  And the light shallow  way they  treated the whole subject was infuriating.  I dropped other otome for way less,  like marriage contract,  the fact this is a fantasy one raises my tolerance a bit about certain situations (for no real good reasons,  I must admit).  But this really made me frown.
What bothers me is not the lie itself,  the mc made me want to slap some sense into her (and it would take a while)  and she is really odious,   but its a story, i can take it.  (hard to play  when you hate the  MC tho :p luckily she is not usually  THIS bad) what i can't  take is how shallowly they handled such a delicate topic.  It's like when a girl pretty much gets assaulted/molested in these games but hey,  it's not a big deal,  you tried to rape me but i love you anyway.  "you told me you were gonna die to test my love for you  but ahahah,  not a big deal,  i mean,  who cares,  right?" 

So annoying :/

But hey,   i got the early clear,  with literally  2 minutes to spare. 

[Vixey]

Yeah there are a lot of rants (some with trigger warnings) on tumblr right now about Elio's, so it seems you are not alone.

Can you elaborate on with Luca's, the MC's lie/handling of the situation being very Japanese? I'm curious.

[MushroomTeaGirl]

Wow. Good thing I was way to busy to actually read the story because I had to hurry to take the event lessons. I got the hair and I won't put any more effort in this event.

Elio's story seems really messed up, I mean just wtf, what kind of person actually thinks it's a good idea? And most others just don't make any sense. That thing about the cat really made me laugh though.
Why can't most people in otoge just behave like normal people? Seriously. D: I understand that this game isn't exactly supposed to be realistic but still some common sense wouldn't hurt the characters!

[Arisa-chan]

well, you know...MC is basically lady in distress who need to be save every time and can't do anything by herself
If they're too smart and independent, these gorgeous guys won't meet her at all


 

sometimes...(often) I find it hard to feel her...while I usually should be able engross myself in the stories

[Jibrille]

If people had common sense in this kind of games the story wouldn't go on :P

As for the unability to deal with conflicts, [member=19266]Vixey[/member], first of all, a  warning, I'm generalizing, which is always a bad thing to do, there are plenty of exceptions XD but let's say that, in my experience, many of the japanese people I know or know about do this on daily basis.

Lemme put it in spoiler since it's a bit OT and kinda long XD (spoiler abuse)

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They're VERY VERY bad at dealing with conflicts or saying no or correct misunderstandings just as they're very bad at being open with their emotions, either by display affection (in private or pubblic) or talking about their feelings. I saw plenty of young couples turning red because they were holding hands in pubblic. I could delve into a very boring social/historical explanation about this, but I will spare you unless you really don't have anything better to do than reading my rants XD

A well educated, polite japanese person will very seldomly say no, if ever, they will ignore you, avoid making eye contact, but they will not say "no." and they are completely unable to be direct about something, the best you can do is reading their body language or understand that a very mild positive answer is probably a "no thanks". This extends to telling people they are wrong as well or asking people for explanations. How often during a japanese story we think "Why don't you just ASK instead of assuming?!" and we think that weird? well a japanese woman would not ask, she would assume, as weird as it is for most of us.

I studied in Japan for a while with a friend and we met this nice guy at the university. One evening, my friend invited him for dinner and offered him a caprese salad. He ate it all and complimented the food, my friend asked if he liked tomatos and he said he did. She kept feeding him tomatos on several occasion, he would always eat and compliment the food. Well, while he was visiting my country, years later, we went out for a quick lunch, I pointed at something made with tomatoes but he didn't buy it, actually he avoided everything that had tomatoes in them; during our conversations, it turned out, years after that first meal, that he didn't like them at all. Or actually, I guessed it from what he said. So... yeah. Not correcting someone mistake is pretty common and going out your way to correct them is pretty... harsh, by their standards, and terribly embarassing/difficult to do because it's not the way you're ... educated. MC there didn't lie, but she probably found correcting such a huge mistake very very awkward and difficult because they have learnt growing up that it's not something you do or simply they haven't had much experience at it. It's just a cultural difference, just like for them blowing your nose in pubblic is as bad as scratching your butt. It's hard to understand but it comes from traditions and historical and social reasons linked to a concept of "harmony" very confucian and we should actually be proud of her for she managed to do it in the end XD

I can give you plenty of other examples that follow the same process, ask someone for directions in japan, they might point you in the wrong direction just not to be rude and telling you "i don't know", ignore you just not to tell you "I don't speak english i can't help you" or go out of their way to BRING you to your destination, and there is the same logic behind all these 3 kinds of behaviours, as different as they might look.

[Aiwethryne]

That was highly amusing to read.

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While anime is not a good approximate for real life, I always see female Japanese characters saying 'no' or trying to clear up misunderstandings quickly. When they hold back, it is usually for comedic effect. Why isn't the same displayed in otome games? The cookie-cutter MC is usually SO willing and frantic to correct anyone and everyone that she and blah guy are not in a relationship, yet she cannot tell her own spouse, the one that is supposed to be her destined, true love, that they aren't having babies? That MC logic has a terrible double standard.

Even so, these games are very prone to expressing accepted customs of what "proper girls" are supposed to be like according to the Japanese standard, which just bursts the headstrong mind ingrained with the typical western (strongly American) way of thinking. I need to ask my dad how they were all like when he was an exchange student in Japan some thirty years ago.

I remember one instance in which confronting Japanese people for directions led to the Japanese people to act like they could not understand or speak English. It was only until the tourist completely butchered Japanese that the Japanese people finally admitted that they could speak English, and when they spoke, it was perfectly understandable. They just did not want to suffer the embarrassment of possibly being wrong. In a country where it is all about efficiency, that collective mindset would only be harming in the productive ideal of business. I imagine, of course, that bosses and teachers are capable of blowing their fuse to tell their underlings that they are wrong~~

And I obviously went and read the event descriptions, and, LOL. I'll consider this MC syndrome – unwillingness to admit that you are imperfect. It just goes to show that the MC is incompatible with all of these hot guys, and the guys are crazy for wanting her as arm candy. Seeing as they came to love her, they should all at least understand how she is mess of misunderstandings and should never trust her words as true.

As for the spoiler tag, you're free to use it for whatever reason. When I actually want to, I mainly add it to collapse super long content or things that other people may not want to read, such as my rant bursts. Sometimes.

Actually, I have this game, now that I remember. Only logged in and did a battles since its release but stopped when I went abroad and was too lazy to reinstall it. Hmm~

[Jibrille]

Yes,  there is that too,  what you're supposed to do,  what you're supposed to be like XD
Oh well,  so far the best mc I've found is the love Legend of sengoku one,  and even she becomes a boneless helpless mushy goo when around her love.  Oh plese protect me you are sooooo much stronger,  so manly~~ 

Btw,   is it just me or the wine has the worst drop rate ever :< playing just to cling to my < 20 position and giving people wine,  but the drop rare doesn't want to cooperate  ><

[Arisa-chan]

yes, drop rate for wine has been drop for the worst
at first I can easily send at least one every 2-3 battle
Now...it's about 1/10?? 

[kaedeyuuki]

I'm planning to start the event after I full clear the event on CC lol. Anyhow, anyone knows how much carene is needed to get the hair? I'm already stocking up on wines using my alt. accounts for future use. :3

[Vixey]

Wow thanks for the culture lesson, that was really helpful and insightful to read! Sorry that sounds like sarcasm but I am being sincere. I feel like everything starts to make a lot more sense now in these games knowing a little more, and I'll probably cut the MC some slack. Maybe. :P

I've been learning more and more about Japanese culture from watching anime and playing otome. I told one of my friends about how I learned Valentine's Day is so different in Japan and that I would probably hate it because I'm super selfish and sexist and think I deserve to be showered with affection and gifts and not the other way around! Ahahaha probably why I'm single~